User talk:Kay T

2007 Rita Page?

Hi Kay, I was messing around with Laura Lee Guhrke's page and wanted to add her 2007 Rita finalist thing. I'm looking through all the books listed on the 2007 RITA page and they all link back to the generic RITA page, not the 2007 one?? (Well, I haven't checked them all yet. :) I guess as a larger question, is there an easy way to look up the 'wiki name' of a page when you want to create a link to it?

Since I started the review blog in May, I've read a whole lot of 'new to me' authors so that's been a big bonus. Of course the impact on my time and budget hasn't been as positive. :) I thought I would start with my best reviews and move down in creating pages here, so the ones I've done I really like. Glad you like them too. :)--Heloise Abelard 08:39, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

easy way to look up the 'wiki name' of a page when you want to create a link to it? No I don't think there is an easy way to find the name of the page except through go/search. If you open another window it might help, "go" goes to the page, "search" finds pages with those words on it. Another feature that sometimes helps is the "What links here" which will show you the list of pages linking to the page your are on/editing. Finally, there is a page under "Special pages" that lists pages, but I think they are in some weird order.

I am not sure about the RITA page links, because, although I created the 2007 RITA page I did not create many of the book pages (or if I did, I forget). Sometimes we just get lazy and put in the generic link thinking that at least it is a link and better than nothing! Maybe the thinking was that the person linking to RITA might just want to know what RITA was and the generic page was the best place to send them.

Another thing to get the hang of (which I have not yet figured out) is how to carry on a conversation here. One side on one user's page and the other on the other??? Aaghhh! Keeping it here for now. --Kay T 13:23, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

For what it's worth, I use search first (search is a girl's best friend, if you ask me). That lets me get the correct name of a page. I'm not sure if this answers Heloise's (love your name, it's so romance) question, but as I've (slowly) added the RITA-winning books (and finalists), I've linked back to the specific category (see [[The Husband Trap). For finalists, however, it might make more sense to link to the main RITA page as, at least for very current years, we're listing finalists and winners there. Which, I see now, I didn't do.

As always, I remain open to suggestions.

When it comes to page management, I am an avowed, fanatic user of Firefox, which allows me to have many tabs open simultaneously. I can work in one tab, search in another, have Google open in a third, the category page in a fourth, Amazon in another...is it obvious that I'm a lunatic? I know Safari does tabs and believe (though haven't tried as I'm on a Mac) that the new Internet Explorer is a tab-friendly place. Generally, I'm doing a lot of research and back-and-forth, so this works really well for me.

Finally, and I feel bad about cluttering up Kay's page (okay, I don't), is it time to start a list for discussion, etc? Thoughts? Ideas? I've also considered starting a RomanceWiki blog, but it's more thought than action (obviously....--Romancewiki 21:36, 24 August 2007 (PDT)

Wow, thanks for the thorough answers/discussion. I'll try using search more as I'm moving around looking for pages, and it sounds like "What links here" would also be very useful. (You mean I don't have to try every single link on the whole dang page to find one that links back! Duh, Heloise.) I think my problem with the 2007 RITA page was that the name of it actually includes the word Winners. Too much for my brain to handle without some caffeine.

Thanks for the nice comment on my name. I was very pleased to see Heloise and Abelard mentioned on one of the History of Romance pages! I was a Medieval History major in college, eons ago!--Heloise Abelard 13:45, 27 August 2007 (PDT)

Hello

Hi Kay T, thank you for the welcome :-) Roaming27 13:53, 11 January 2007 (PST)

Drop Dead Gorgeous

I was wondering if something was missing from this sentence in Drop Dead Gorgeous, it doesn't read well:
Which challenge she accepts, but her resolve is tested when someone begins to try to kill her.
I posted here because I wasn't sure if it was on your watchlist. Thank you. Roaming27 14:27, 11 January 2007 (PST)

thanks roam - I made a change, but feel free to edit me!!--Kay T 17:04, 12 January 2007 (PST)

okee-dokee :-) Roaming27 22:16, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Historical Romance Titles

If you have time, I'd like your opinion on the discussion at Talk:Historical_Romance_Titles.
I've also left a message at Romancewiki's talk page to get their input too. Roaming27 00:37, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Categories

I've been a little nuts this week and didn't get back to you about the category thing. I *did* start playing with them a little more, trying to refine them, that sort of thing. Even as I cut back and combined things, I saw where expansion will help (Regency, of course, being one that needs a lot of work). I'm trying to work off the structure you created as well. Today, I'm going to focus on original content instead of categories. Even my orderly (ha!) brain needs a play day! --Romancewiki 11:08, 27 January 2007 (PST)

I added my thoughts to Category talk:Publisher Continuity Series... --Romancewiki 20:21, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

The software was just upgraded (with minimal cursing, so it was way better than the last attempt). The categories are now alpha...--Romancewiki 19:47, 17 February 2007 (PST)

I like the librarian in another life thought -- my mom's a librarian, so I have a soft spot for them. I'll take a look at what you've done. It looks like this is going to be a quiet weekend, workwise, so I'll have some time to play with things. If you haven't dropped Laura a note, I'll try to catch her and ask her to check the plot devices out as well. Sometimes it's six of one, a half dozen of the other.--Romancewiki 18:32, 2 March 2007 (PST)

Grazie!

Thanks for doing the fixes with the "and" sign and more. I just logged in and saw that you beat me to the punch! --Romancewiki 22:45, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Hello Kay T

Thanks for your message, I adore romantic novels, and I have varied information about authors (but in Spanish), I try to share the information, but not always my English is correct. --E-romance 03:08, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Publisher Table

I do like what you did with the table on the publishers page. It looks so much cleaner. You're right that the coding is a little complex (though, honestly, less complex than some HTML tables I've seen). I think I will add a "watch" to the page to make sure that the coding is followed if and when new publishers are added. The good news is that there shouldn't be that many new ones -- she says with fingers crossed.

I will be working some this weekend...after I finish my very long reading stint. I'm sure you can guess the book! --Romancewiki 17:35, 20 July 2007 (PDT)

Page Deletion Flagging

Hi Kay T. Thanks for the notes on my mistake. However, in other work I did discover a double of a page for the same title and flagged one for deletion. Page flagged for deletion versus more corrected formatted pagetitle. I have also linked the second for a Title disambiguation page since there is more than one Mirage book listed. Thanks. --DawnBurn 13:00, 31 August 2007 (PDT) (bad sig, correcting)

Per Romancewiki I changed the 'by' author page to Mirage - Monica Burns and changed all the associated links. --DawnBurn 13:33, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

Also (and this is only a somewhat related question) Do you actually have the power to delete? Can you tell me who does? I have put redirects on two ampersanded titles that I'm aware of - Bewitched, Bothered, & Bevampyred, and Rejection, Romance, & Royalties, but they still exhibit some weird behavior - showing up under the "AUTHOR NAME" whatlinkshere, and sometimes coming up as empty pages under "First Word, Second Word/Everything else gone", and showing up under double-redirects because the ampersanded page is un-editable (and technically, no links are titled FW, SW/Nothing Page, even though they link there) ...or at least, I've had all these problems with Firefox for the Mac. Example:

http://www.romancewiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=AUTHOR_NAME

Any way we could make it a priority to delete ampersanded stuff (and maybe add that to the style manual...I haven't checked to see if it's there)? I suppose this is a good lesson for me in how to become less anal, but until I learn it, I think this is going to drive me nuts. especially since "Bevampyred" is an anthology linked to ~80 times --Robini 08:16, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

Yes! I have the POWER!!! Whooo! My only concern is that someone might try to recreate the ampersand version of these titles (because that is how they appear in print) and then we are back where we started from. The redirect is for those who might type it in? I think I did add in the style manual not to use ampersands. The pages are actually editable in Internet Explorer. Let me think on it. It used to drive me crzy when Romancewiki would not immediately delete my requests (see nagging on her page), but now that I have the POWER I feel more cautious - Ha! --Kay T 18:38, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

Hi Kay T

Thanks for the welcome and creating the Harlequin category -- nice unmbrella page for lots of pages :) --Amy 11:57, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

Same Title Multiple Authors

Replying here so you definitely see it...I looked at the page. The only thing that jumped out at me is that the example given seems to be incorrect--It's given as "Between the Sheets - Tricia Adams" instead of "Between The Sheets - Tricia Adams" with the "The" capitalized. We're still going with everything in a page title should be capitalized, right? At least, that's what I thought we were doing, and how I've tried to do it (at least since I figured that out), so that it's standard (whereas if some words are capitalized and some not, and someone does a search for it one way and doesn't find it, they might start a page, even though there's already one for it the other way). But then I couldn't find anywhere that it was specified that everything in a page name should be capitalized and wanted to make sure this definitely was the way it should be, so we can put it somewhere and make sure all contributors know it. --Leigh

This was my fault Leigh and thanks for catching it. I didn't know the Manual of Style of caps yet so I did it wrong. Sorry about that and thanks to you & Kay for fixing it! --DawnBurn 16:13, 7 September 2007 (PDT)

To Have And To Hold

Kay, I set up the page for the To Have And To Hold imprint as To Have And To Hold Series since there are several books with that title so I was leaving the general To Have And To Hold page for those. I see that you shifted it over to the general page. If you don't want it called To Have And To Hold Series, what should it be called? To Have And To Hold Imprint? Because there's going to need to be a Same Title Muliple Authors page on the general one. --Leigh

replying over here...I can move it back, since I'm going to go ahead and make that Same Title page (which I probably should have done in the first place, so my bad). Do you think it should be titled Imprint so there's no confusion, because that's fine with me too. Thanks. --Leigh

Maybe save the "series" for numbered series and make this an imprint? Whatever you decide is fine. We can also put a note at the top of the page, something like:

For books entitled To Have And To Hold see here. and link to the new page.--Kay T 13:27, 13 September 2007 (PDT)

I bumped it back to the Series page for now, because I realized that all the individual book pages I set up link back to that and would have to be changed too, and I'm feeling lazy at the moment. But it probably should be changed to Imprint (with all the book pages to match...luckily it was a short-lived line). I'll try to get to it sometime soon. --Leigh

On second thought, I think I'm going to leave it as Series. I realized that the reason I called it a series in the first place is because it is a Numbered series, like all the Harlequins and Silhouettes that appear on the Numbered Series category page. Plus, when I found out there was a book called Love and Laughter, I changed the Harlequin Love and Laughters to Love And Laughter Series, with all the book pages to match, so all those would have to be changed again as well, which seems like a lot of unnecessary work. Hope that's okay. --Leigh

Sounds good. --Kay T 14:47, 14 September 2007 (PDT)

Sorting out the messes

And also, this might deserve to be its own page, but honestly, AS DawnBurn has pointed out, does Romancewiki have a policy on self-published titles? On the one hand, I am not opposed to letting self-published authors use the wiki raise awareness for themselves (I file it more under "help the reader find books they might be interested in," once you add categories and so on) - and hey, additional content is additional content, if we don't have to add it, all the better - but I am quickly arriving at "If an author can't be bothered to put together a professional-looking, well-organized webpage, and a traditional publisher can't be bothered to print it, is it really worth my while to take whatever mess the author submitted, and spend my time formatting it?". In terms of dealing with unclear series titles and pages that make me listen to gothic music alongside my iTunes, I used to answer "yes," but now I'm leaning towards "no."

Now, as to whether we delete the content, leave it as and have ugly pages, or is format it thereby spending our time to add credibility to a self-published title with a bad webpage, Well...That's up for debate.

I don't think we should be in the business of policing what is 'acceptable' romance (aka 'wiki worthy'), which means no deleting, but...I also question spending so much of our time on self-submitting authors with very little or no distribution. I feel we'll be a more useful resource if we can cover what people are actually reading, and we are supposed to be a resource first, even if we are an outlet for self-promotion in some capacity. So perhaps we could make a policy of not deleting pages for self-published authors, but warning any wikigoers that the page is author-submitted content? We could have a box like the "marked for deletion" one.

That's my off-the-cuff $.02. --Robini 11:49, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

This is the thing that would be so perfect for the Community Discussion page, but until then... I am with you on getting fed up with authors who can't make a wiki page like other wiki pages. Some of them I sort of take to and fix and others I just think - WHY would I buy your book if you can't even use proper grammar and formatting here?? Thus you and Dawn and Amy have been finding the remains, the real dregs of the clean up job on non-categorized, orphaned pages - things I just got too annoyed to fix!! Ha! My take is to ignore them when you can (or when you get fed up). Some of them are just so bad.

On the topic of self-published, I agree with you, Robini, that it is a service to our users who may want to read these books and thus we have not had any policy about excluding any type of romance (so far).

On the other hand, I don't think we can "warn" users that the info comes from the authors themselves since most/a lot of content does come from the authors themselves. Just my $.02 so now we almost have a nickel. --Kay T 18:54, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

Hi Kay

Thanks for the welcome! The RomanceWiki is very cool. Thanks for making it so easy to add/edit entries.

Lisa :)