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==Book Template==
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Can't find the conversation you are looking for?  Check my [[User talk:DawnBurn/Archive|Archive]].
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Dawn, Thanks for fixing the categorization of the the real [[template:book]] (as opposed to the article [[Book Template]]), but I am sort of confused about removing the Amazon link. It seems that it would be hard to insert this link from scratch each time. Is there a reason you removed it from this template? Have you used the <nowiki>{{subst:book}}</nowiki> syntax with this template? was that the bug you were talking about? Maybe you could make an Amazon link template?--[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 12:35, 1 September 2007 (PDT)
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:I removed it because the link was dead and it made the capache (human test) go off, which was an extra layer.  The amazon link needs to be added each time anyway. The bug was that there was extra data in template after I changed it and I wanted that removed.  --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 14:22, 1 September 2007 (PDT)
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==Anthologies - Same Title==
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Wow, lots of stuff added today. Did we "decide" that an anthology with same title would have publisher in the title or was this just a guess by the author doing the adding? Not a bad idea, but looking at [[Santa Baby - Zebra]] makes me wonder whether we should add a disambiguation line at the begining of the individual book pages saying something like
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::''For other books with same title see <nowiki>[[name]]</nowiki>.''
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Sound like work, but what do you think?--[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 18:10, 18 September 2007 (PDT)
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Hi Kay! That was me, making a guess at how to succinctly add a same-title, multiple-authors book. It seemed as if it would make the entry too long to include all of the authors, which is why I included the publisher instead. I hope that didn't mess up anything! --[[Lisa Plumley | Lisa]] :)
  
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::I don't understand. The link was dead until you filled in the ISBN number. The only thing you needed to fill in was the ISBN number. Now you have to find the info for the link each time and copy and paste it in? Is that what you are thinking? I know that there are an increasing number of books which link to the e-publisher, which I assume is fine, but for books that are sold on Amazon, it seems like a major pain to have to cut and paste all that Amazon code (since it can't be filled in from memory or just from the ISBN info). --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 14:30, 1 September 2007 (PDT)
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:Lisa, I think you made a good guess for that. See discussion on the [[Help talk: Style Manual]] about this (discussion going on at the same time you were guessing). I was just commenting that a line at the beginning of all of these types of pages might be a good idea. --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 10:00, 19 September 2007 (PDT) P.S. When signing on talk pages it is easy to use the signature button (right after the red-no wiki button above the edit screen). this puts in a link to your user page and the date and time.
  
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:::I added back the Amazon link -- while it does set of the evil Captcha (which much as I hate it, is working), I think most users are getting that they're supposed to properly fill in the ISBN and book title. But I'm going to add instructions to make that clear. Ideally, we would have links to multiple bookstores, but until there's a module that makes that feature easy-as-pie, we'll stick with just the Amazon. It looks like I won't be around much today either , book is done, review (totally biased!) is half-written, and the husband is planning an afternoon out of the house.--[[User:Romancewiki|Romancewiki]] 09:50, 2 September 2007 (PDT)
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== To Do Lists, etc. ==
  
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::::As you say.  I thought that the Captcha was slowly people down.  I also didn't realize that you only had to sub the ISBN. I was always copying the whole Amazon link. =)  --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 01:19, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
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I am so punchy I don't know what I did with that vampire book and series. If it is the series name, do we want to make a series page? BUT see my todo list!!!??? Cute, huh? See [[Help Talk:Style Manual]] for an example.--[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 18:18, 17 September 2007 (PDT)
  
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==Same Title Pages==
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:The To Do list is spiffy and I think it is cute.  Responded on the Vampire page with comments.  And get some sleep (caffiene? food?) silly punchy lady! --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 21:18, 17 September 2007 (PDT)
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I created [[Help:Same Title Multiple Authors]] and edited [[Book Template]] to try and recommend the format discussed below and to also encourage others to use the Category and create the pages.  Please take a look.  --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 15:51, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
 
  
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:Dawn, thanks so much for getting this page started! It's been on my to-do list forever, but, as you can see, there's always something ahead of actual progress. You clearly have an organized mind (mine, lately, has resembled a jigsaw puzzle with key pieces lost forever) and I soooo appreciate you take the time to write "help" for the various tricky aspects of the wiki. I saw your conversation with KayT about using various wiki formats. We settled on MediaWiki because it seemed to have the best documentation, but I have to admit I was surprised at the various products available.--[[User:Romancewiki|Romancewiki]] 10:03, 2 September 2007 (PDT)
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==Images==
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Dawn, could you maybe help make an "[[Help:Uploading Images]]" page? I never do this and don't really know how, while you seem to be proficient. I am trying to put together a more generic Help page that will link to this image page (you can just use this link if you like) so any content would be appreciated. --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 15:50, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
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:Sure, Kay.  I'll see what I can whip up.  And note: I only ''seem'' proficient. I'm only as good as my ability to search out the instructions from the main wiki site. --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 16:11, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
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::Okay, check out [[User:DawnBurn/Sandbox | my sandbox]] for the whip up.  I used some of the text from the official wiki site & then edited in some Romancewiki stuff. Do you think it needs a section on how to find images? --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 01:01, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
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:::So you have to have the picture saved to your own computer, you can't upload from another website, right? --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 15:42, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
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::::That is correct.  I'll try to make that a little clearer. -[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 15:58, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
  
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::I'm so glad you like what I've done so far. I'm only organized about stuff that it isn't necessarily my job to be organized about.  I love MediaWiki format, so it works great for me. --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 01:21, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
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I moved it to [[Help:Uploading Images]] "which may have unforeseen consequences" like now you have a redirect on your sandbox page. I have a couple of sandbox pages and I usually just copy and paste, but I thought I would get fancy. Ughh! Remove the redirect if you want to use the page for your sandbox again. --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 11:07, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
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:That's fine and what I'll do. I prefer moving since it moves the discussion & edits too and I can easily remove the redirect.  =) --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 12:07, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
  
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::Dawn, you still have a redirect on the talk page for that sandbox. Just in case you wanted to chat there about the image. You know, some time ago I shrunk some images by using the "numberpx" argument and it seemed to work. Maybe we could just add on the Help page a standard size number. I wonder why thumb doesn't work? Maybe that is a template that calls the standard thumb size on wiki? --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 16:44, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
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Welcome Dawn! Thanks for adding more romance info to the wiki. Looks like you are doing a good job and are finding your way around. As you learned, sometimes there is more than one book with the same title. In that case we use the author's name as part of the book page name. When you make a link to that page use the real book page name then a pipe {"|"} followed by the real book name so the link looks pretty. Feel free to ask questions. --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 16:30, 29 August 2007 (PDT)
 
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: Thank you Kay T.  I didn't realize I had found a book with more than one author for the title.  I apologize for editing without checking that first (though I though I did).  Thanks.  --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 16:36, 29 August 2007 (PDT)
 
  
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::We should probably put that in Help or someplace. No worries, things can always be fixed, or we could always change the way we do things! --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 16:40, 29 August 2007 (PDT)
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:::Does this help? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images Wikipedia images]? --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 16:46, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
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::::Did help. Thanks.  --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 18:40, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
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:::Maybe we could put it somewhere on the [[Book Template]]?  That way people would see it when creating new books and know to look for it and have a standard way of incorporating Author.  Either as BookTitle - Author or BookTitle by Author.  I personally feel that BookTitle - Author (as was used in the [[Familiar Stranger - Michele Hauf]]) is better than the other (as used in [[Mirage by Monica Burns]]).  --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 18:44, 29 August 2007 (PDT)
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::::Hi Dawn -- I see you've been busy, busy, busy! When I look back that the days when I'd check the "Recent Changes" page and see only my name, it's so cool to see how many new users are adding all sorts of incredible content! To address your comment about duplicate book titles (I recently found yet another ''Hunter's Moon''!), I use the book title - author name syntax because it looks cleaner to my eye. I see that Leigh has been busy creating a "same title" category and aggregating books with the same title on their proper pages. This will allow me to clean up the alpha books listings when I finish my current massive content project!
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::::Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help...though it looks like you're doing better than great on your own!--[[User:Romancewiki|Romancewiki]] 13:12, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
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:::::Thanks. I agree with you on the syntax. Now the question I have is how to change those pages that are not correct and flag for deletion?  I will go ahead & create the proper syntax page for [[Mirage - Monica Burns | Mirage]], but that means that there will be two pages for that title that are now defunct.  Is there a flag or a category or something we can add to those page for easy flagging for you and/or your trusted moderators?  Thanks.--[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 13:27, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
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Hi Dawn! Thanks very much for the image help on the book pages I added. That looks ''much'' better! I knew there had to be a way to specify the size/position, but I just couldn't find it. I'll be sure to keep that in mind when adding future books.
  
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I love the RomanceWiki. What a fantastic idea!
  
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Hi DawnBurn! Not sure if you saw but I replied to your questions on the [[Talk:Luna]] page. :)
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[[Lisa Plumley|Lisa]] :)
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--[[User:Amy|Amy]] 11:14, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
 
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:Hi Amy.  I did I just hadn't had a chance to respond.  Thanks!  =) --[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 12:57, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
 
  
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:You are very welcome!--[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 10:45, 19 September 2007 (PDT)
  
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Looks like you got something straightened out here. RomanceWiki is the one who should know. So we probably need to either have her delete or redirect the [[Mirage (SP)]] and [[Mirage by Monica Burns]] pages. What does/did the (SP) stand for, I wonder? It is fun to learn about stuff here. We are much more forgiving than that big wiki! But I have learned about so much wiki stuff. and romance stuff. --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 14:55, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
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Dawn, I moved the category page to [[RomanceWiki:Category Index]] and RW is going to link to it in the nav panel at the left. Glad you like it. It was a pain in the you-know-what (even though I copied it from big-Wiki) AND it has to be kept up by hand (not automated). Just didn't want you to be shocked when I delete it from my user space. --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 18:24, 30 September 2007 (PDT)
  
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:Sorry, I did not read the above thread. I think we can put [[:category:Pages To Be Deleted]] on the pages and RomanceWiki will delete them. --[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 14:59, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
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::Aha! Thank you for the magical category. =)  I've messed at tiny bit with the 'big' wiki and have participated in other wikis (with different syntax, ugh).  I'm enjoying stuff here and messing around and meeting everyone.  -[[User:DawnBurn|DawnBurn]] 15:01, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
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Dawn -- Amy had a question re: the above. If you have time, I'd love it if you could weigh in at [[RomanceWiki:Community Discussion]]. I have someone who has the time to take on the potential solution if we go that route.
  
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:::No, I am just getting fluent with this MediaWiki syntax, don't even mention that there are others! I have adopted a project over on the big wiki, and suddenly I am creating pages, etc. (which I had never done there) just like around here! Ha!--[[User:Kay T|Kay T]] 15:10, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
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Also, circling back to your comment on the "letter" pages (which made sense in the beginning and help for certain types of searchers), they're getting just plain unwieldy. I'm proposing that we stop the double work when it comes to listing books with the same title: [[:Category talk:Books - Same Title]]. It was fine when there were a small number of books (I live, I learn!), but now, it's just too much.--[[User:Romancewiki|Romancewiki]] 21:14, 30 November 2007 (PST)

Latest revision as of 05:14, 1 December 2007

Can't find the conversation you are looking for? Check my Archive.

Anthologies - Same Title

Wow, lots of stuff added today. Did we "decide" that an anthology with same title would have publisher in the title or was this just a guess by the author doing the adding? Not a bad idea, but looking at Santa Baby - Zebra makes me wonder whether we should add a disambiguation line at the begining of the individual book pages saying something like

For other books with same title see [[name]].

Sound like work, but what do you think?--Kay T 18:10, 18 September 2007 (PDT)


Hi Kay! That was me, making a guess at how to succinctly add a same-title, multiple-authors book. It seemed as if it would make the entry too long to include all of the authors, which is why I included the publisher instead. I hope that didn't mess up anything! -- Lisa :)

Lisa, I think you made a good guess for that. See discussion on the Help talk: Style Manual about this (discussion going on at the same time you were guessing). I was just commenting that a line at the beginning of all of these types of pages might be a good idea. --Kay T 10:00, 19 September 2007 (PDT) P.S. When signing on talk pages it is easy to use the signature button (right after the red-no wiki button above the edit screen). this puts in a link to your user page and the date and time.

To Do Lists, etc.

I am so punchy I don't know what I did with that vampire book and series. If it is the series name, do we want to make a series page? BUT see my todo list!!!??? Cute, huh? See Help Talk:Style Manual for an example.--Kay T 18:18, 17 September 2007 (PDT)

The To Do list is spiffy and I think it is cute. Responded on the Vampire page with comments. And get some sleep (caffiene? food?) silly punchy lady! --DawnBurn 21:18, 17 September 2007 (PDT)

Images

Dawn, could you maybe help make an "Help:Uploading Images" page? I never do this and don't really know how, while you seem to be proficient. I am trying to put together a more generic Help page that will link to this image page (you can just use this link if you like) so any content would be appreciated. --Kay T 15:50, 7 September 2007 (PDT)

Sure, Kay. I'll see what I can whip up. And note: I only seem proficient. I'm only as good as my ability to search out the instructions from the main wiki site. --DawnBurn 16:11, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
Okay, check out my sandbox for the whip up. I used some of the text from the official wiki site & then edited in some Romancewiki stuff. Do you think it needs a section on how to find images? --DawnBurn 01:01, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
So you have to have the picture saved to your own computer, you can't upload from another website, right? --Kay T 15:42, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
That is correct. I'll try to make that a little clearer. -DawnBurn 15:58, 11 September 2007 (PDT)

I moved it to Help:Uploading Images "which may have unforeseen consequences" like now you have a redirect on your sandbox page. I have a couple of sandbox pages and I usually just copy and paste, but I thought I would get fancy. Ughh! Remove the redirect if you want to use the page for your sandbox again. --Kay T 11:07, 15 September 2007 (PDT)

That's fine and what I'll do. I prefer moving since it moves the discussion & edits too and I can easily remove the redirect. =) --DawnBurn 12:07, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
Dawn, you still have a redirect on the talk page for that sandbox. Just in case you wanted to chat there about the image. You know, some time ago I shrunk some images by using the "numberpx" argument and it seemed to work. Maybe we could just add on the Help page a standard size number. I wonder why thumb doesn't work? Maybe that is a template that calls the standard thumb size on wiki? --Kay T 16:44, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
Does this help? Wikipedia images? --Kay T 16:46, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
Did help. Thanks. --DawnBurn 18:40, 16 September 2007 (PDT)

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Same Title

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Book Template

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Image help

Hi Dawn! Thanks very much for the image help on the book pages I added. That looks much better! I knew there had to be a way to specify the size/position, but I just couldn't find it. I'll be sure to keep that in mind when adding future books.

I love the RomanceWiki. What a fantastic idea!

Lisa :)

You are very welcome!--DawnBurn 10:45, 19 September 2007 (PDT)

Categories

Dawn, I moved the category page to RomanceWiki:Category Index and RW is going to link to it in the nav panel at the left. Glad you like it. It was a pain in the you-know-what (even though I copied it from big-Wiki) AND it has to be kept up by hand (not automated). Just didn't want you to be shocked when I delete it from my user space. --Kay T 18:24, 30 September 2007 (PDT)

Publishers and Books with Same Name

Dawn -- Amy had a question re: the above. If you have time, I'd love it if you could weigh in at RomanceWiki:Community Discussion. I have someone who has the time to take on the potential solution if we go that route.

Also, circling back to your comment on the "letter" pages (which made sense in the beginning and help for certain types of searchers), they're getting just plain unwieldy. I'm proposing that we stop the double work when it comes to listing books with the same title: Category talk:Books - Same Title. It was fine when there were a small number of books (I live, I learn!), but now, it's just too much.--Romancewiki 21:14, 30 November 2007 (PST)

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